Even if it's not condemning evidence by itself, it's certainly something that can help implicate them when we're already looking to them so often in trials. And I doubt they have faith we won't accidentally convict the wrong person based on circumstantial evidence at this point.
[ we...... did this to ourselves, huh. ]
Does the rock really count as a weapon when the main theory for it is that it simply was used to mess with appearances some postmortem? If there was already a hole in the body and they were shoving their hands into it anyway, I doubt a rock specifically would be necessary to just force the hole wider. The rock being that small in comparison to the wound means they would have had to physically manipulate it to mess up the wound anyway.
[ just grab the edges with your hands and start tearing, damn. or poke him again and like, twist the stabby pokey thing around. but, well, rock =/= weapon? is just semantics anyway. it was involved, they can agree on that. ]
Anyway, we found plenty of pieces, but as it is, I can't say much for how well we put it together.
If the theory about a certain team's items being used is true -- maybe there was originally more of a trail, and this served to obscure some of it.
But really, it doesn't make any sense. I can only thing of something to transport the body -- but what are the limits on items they can get from the directors?
What, you think that someone got mostly done with a murder and leaving a strange pattern of tracks only to suddenly realize or remember that they had an item to erase footprints?
[ the injuries on hikage don't really seem like they point to a crime of passion, much less the location of where he was attacked, so presumably the attacker put at least some thought into this. ]
I'm not sure that they can simply request things that large from the directors, though I suppose it's always a possibility... They made it sound like they had little control over the things we receive at the end of the week when I asked them about some of the differences between the items we've received from them.
Hard to say with no real leads, isn't it? We just know that Hikage did try to fight back, and my feeling is the killer probably wasn't aware that his ability let him stay up during curfew.
[ which could have complicated things. ]
I don't know if a sled or other track-making device would count as a weekly prize, personally.
I don't think so either. If only because it'd be rather difficult to hide one around here. Rare cases like Lio's motorcycle aside, the prizes and awards we get from these sorts of things tend to be on the small side.
Would it have made a difference whether the killer knew Hikage would be able to stay awake at curfew? I assume that almost anyone who finds themselves awake after they should would, well, expect certain things to follow in short order.
[ if you're awake you're either a victim or a murderer, and if you didn't plan on killing anyone ... ]
Unless you think he wasn't ambushed on his way immediately out of the cabin but coming back to it, or something like that.
[ but does that really change anything other than the timing. ]
Fair enough. So the order of events we have right now currently looks something like what, Hikage leaves cabin, gets ambushed with a smoke grenade, gets knocked out at some point, aggressor takes out an eye, stabs him with something thin and sharp to make puncture wounds...
[ she's just ticking this off on her fingers tbh. ]
Does something with the rock, maybe messes things up a little more, then possibly puts him onto a vehicle of some sort and drives off to the forest. They hang up a glowstick, head to the lake, and then back into the bonfire, presumably incinerating the evidence.
Hikage's body may or may not have been left there in the first place, or hauled around without leaving blood trails somehow? And none of us have any idea how the mysterious circular imprints come into play.
Was he shooting? Wouldn't the bullet have fired away from his position, in that case, instead of being found in the same circle where he fell?
[ and yet, the casings were also right around that point. between the killer hunting down a single bullet that had gone into the distance somewhere just to drop it in the dirt inside the imprint, or the killer themselves having gotten their hands on the gun somehow in the scuffle and firing towards hikage at close range...
well, in the end, neither of them got hit, apparently. not that they can tell. no exit wound, and dick apparently didn't find any bullet, even fragmented, after fishing around in hikage's gut, so. and dick should know what the tissue damage and potential cavitation resulting from a gunshot looks like, so.
Yes, but the plushies were explained to only allow someone to float up to a few feet off the ground... Unless you have reason to believe someone was lying about that. I believe someone else also floated a theory about slowing a fall, but...
Even if you assume the killer was waiting on the roof to ambush Hikage, a fall from that height shouldn't strictly require the usage of something that could potentially give them away.
[ unless they're terrible at athletics, which begs the question of why they were on the roof in the first place and how they climbed up to both that and the glowstick tree. ]
... It feels like a lot of this hinges on making sense of evidence that doesn't.
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Even if it's not condemning evidence by itself, it's certainly something that can help implicate them when we're already looking to them so often in trials. And I doubt they have faith we won't accidentally convict the wrong person based on circumstantial evidence at this point.
[ we...... did this to ourselves, huh. ]
Does the rock really count as a weapon when the main theory for it is that it simply was used to mess with appearances some postmortem? If there was already a hole in the body and they were shoving their hands into it anyway, I doubt a rock specifically would be necessary to just force the hole wider. The rock being that small in comparison to the wound means they would have had to physically manipulate it to mess up the wound anyway.
[ just grab the edges with your hands and start tearing, damn. or poke him again and like, twist the stabby pokey thing around. but, well, rock =/= weapon? is just semantics anyway. it was involved, they can agree on that. ]
Anyway, we found plenty of pieces, but as it is, I can't say much for how well we put it together.
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[ so she's probably onto something here ]
The marks, too. Why did the body need to be carried? A lot of things we didn't think to expand on, ones that could have helped us find a real suspect.
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And what exactly leaves tracks like that, anyway? Unless they drove a tractor into the bonfire and magically burnt it to nothing, somehow.
[ each track several inches wide, a hand's width, maybe, and several feet apart... ]
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But really, it doesn't make any sense. I can only thing of something to transport the body -- but what are the limits on items they can get from the directors?
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[ the injuries on hikage don't really seem like they point to a crime of passion, much less the location of where he was attacked, so presumably the attacker put at least some thought into this. ]
I'm not sure that they can simply request things that large from the directors, though I suppose it's always a possibility... They made it sound like they had little control over the things we receive at the end of the week when I asked them about some of the differences between the items we've received from them.
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[ which could have complicated things. ]
I don't know if a sled or other track-making device would count as a weekly prize, personally.
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Would it have made a difference whether the killer knew Hikage would be able to stay awake at curfew? I assume that almost anyone who finds themselves awake after they should would, well, expect certain things to follow in short order.
[ if you're awake you're either a victim or a murderer, and if you didn't plan on killing anyone ... ]
Unless you think he wasn't ambushed on his way immediately out of the cabin but coming back to it, or something like that.
[ but does that really change anything other than the timing. ]
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[ rather then being blindsided. hikage, in theory, wouldn't have panicked at being awake, either... since that's his ability. ]
But no, I do think he was ambushed pretty close to the cabin.
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[ she's just ticking this off on her fingers tbh. ]
Does something with the rock, maybe messes things up a little more, then possibly puts him onto a vehicle of some sort and drives off to the forest. They hang up a glowstick, head to the lake, and then back into the bonfire, presumably incinerating the evidence.
Hikage's body may or may not have been left there in the first place, or hauled around without leaving blood trails somehow? And none of us have any idea how the mysterious circular imprints come into play.
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Hikage must have fought back at some point, I'd think. Considering he was shooting... then the rock was made to alter the wound.
... Can't really explain the glowstick, personally. Don't see how it's relevant.
The imprints might be ability related. That's all I can think of.
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[ and yet, the casings were also right around that point. between the killer hunting down a single bullet that had gone into the distance somewhere just to drop it in the dirt inside the imprint, or the killer themselves having gotten their hands on the gun somehow in the scuffle and firing towards hikage at close range...
well, in the end, neither of them got hit, apparently. not that they can tell. no exit wound, and dick apparently didn't find any bullet, even fragmented, after fishing around in hikage's gut, so. and dick should know what the tissue damage and potential cavitation resulting from a gunshot looks like, so.
mystery of the missing bullet. hm. ]
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[ clearly it's still in the killer. but no, it really is peculiar. ]
Maybe he aimed up... which is why the bullets ended up in the same spot. There was a theory about the killer descending, no?
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Even if you assume the killer was waiting on the roof to ambush Hikage, a fall from that height shouldn't strictly require the usage of something that could potentially give them away.
[ unless they're terrible at athletics, which begs the question of why they were on the roof in the first place and how they climbed up to both that and the glowstick tree. ]
... It feels like a lot of this hinges on making sense of evidence that doesn't.